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November 3, 2010
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12:05 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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The #ecosys Daily is out! http://bit.ly/ca81SE ? Top stories today by @ToughLoveforX @readywriting @davencvps67 |
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12:06 am
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readywriting:
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RT @ToughLoveforX: The #ecosys Daily is out! http://bit.ly/ca81SE ? Top stories today by @ToughLoveforX @readywriting @davencvps67 |
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2:34 am
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lisa_maren:
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"distance course workload is almost 6X greater (1.83 hrs vs 0.31 hrs)" than f2f. (Bender, Wood, & Vredevoogd, 2004) #edchat #ecosys |
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2:38 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@lisa_maren holy moly, it is that much greater? Do you have a link to this article? This is what OHSU students are saying too. #ecosys |
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2:39 am
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lisa_maren:
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@Becky_Ellis_ I have it in pdf form - can email it to you. It does say that much Xtra time due to tech problems, 1st run-thru, etc. #ecosys |
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2:41 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@lisa_maren Yes would love to see it. Wonder if it is because student directs time on learning rather than teacher directing time #ecosys |
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2:45 am
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lisa_maren:
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@Becky_Ellis_ Not sure! It did also say that online students rcvd 2X as many emails from prof. OK - email is sent to you! #ecosys |
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2:45 am
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lisa_maren:
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@Becky_Ellis_ "the distance course resulted in more than twice as many e-mail messages per student (5.389 versus 2.126)" (Bender...) #ecosys |
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3:15 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@lisa_maren article indicates time spent on course creation may go down as instructor becomes more familiar w/ optimal delivery #ecosys |
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3:17 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@lisa_maren no indication of whether online instruction equaled a difference in learner outcome. #ecosys |
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3:21 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@lisa_maren IMO it is a completely new teaching game in online venue. Think field of dist. learning is underdeveloped. #ecosys |
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7:36 am
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HTECbertmaes:
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RT @ToughLoveforX: most successful strategy for solving prob of inadequate edu teenager is growing early college movement in USA http://ilnk.me/5173 #ecosys |
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8:23 am
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JohnPullin:
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RT @ToughLoveforX: most successful strategy for solving prob of inadequate edu teenager is growing early college movement in USA http://ilnk.me/5173 #ecosys |
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12:23 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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You know about Truthiness, but have you heard about Scienciness? NYT http://ilnk.me/5195 Huge problem for #ecosys and #HigherEd #edchat |
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1:48 pm
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davencvps67:
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If you aren't following the #ecosys Daily, we'd love to have you join the conversations . . http://bit.ly/d8TGJj |
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2:55 pm
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jennar:
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@monk52195 @whatedsaid brought Innovation Lab to #ecosys attention. Interested in talking w/ us on a Wed eve? Wld LOVE to have you. |
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3:20 pm
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sourcepov:
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RT @ChitownStu @ToughLoveforX "High schools need to treat students with same respect as colleges" http://ilnk.me/5171 Agree? #ecosys |
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4:07 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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@sourcePOV My 2¢ respect accorded at many elite schools. Many of the others are just as bad as high school. #ecosys @ChitownStu |
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4:17 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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@sourcePOV Respect is "assumed"? Maybe in words. Not so much in actions. Same at every level. in #ecosys and most other places. |
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4:19 pm
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sourcepov:
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@ToughLoveforX Assumed as in, not discussed. Source of dysfunction in relationships. Breakdown of trust, dialog, teamwork. Learning? #ecosys |
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4:20 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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@sourcePOV 2¢ Respect triggers Trust Emergence in any CAS Respect for People in human groups. Respect for Rules in #ecosys and society. |
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4:21 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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@sourcePOV to me Respect assumed but often not present in any form, except blablabla. #ecosys |
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4:23 pm
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sourcepov:
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@ToughLoveforX We agree 100%. My question would be, what to do about it? #ecosys |
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5:24 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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@sourcePOV What to do ? #ecosys My hunch is that it's changing. If we look at #ecosys from the PoV of "Respect" I bet we'll see the future. |
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6:43 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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@sourcePOV I'm going aSynk for a while. Any thoughts about focus for tonights #ecosys? |
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6:53 pm
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sourcepov:
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@ToughLoveforX Still mulling some ideas for #ecosys .. would appreciate your input, as always. Can mine many bright spots from your stream. |
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7:01 pm
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classroomtools:
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George Lakoff identifies what the pundits missed. http://huff.to/bAbNRg #sschat #ecosys #edchat |
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7:18 pm
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ak2webd3:
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RT @sourcepov: Thanks to all who participated in our convo on SM's impact on the 2010 #midterm #election & the #gov20 #ecosys. More to come, at #smchat |
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7:47 pm
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McGough3R:
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If U are a school leader, pls take some time to respond to the following survey: http://twtsurvey.com/ssc5h6 #cpchat #ecosys |
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8:27 pm
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trendsbehaviour:
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RT @McGough3R: If U are a school leader, pls take some time to respond to the following survey: http://twtsurvey.com/ssc5h6 #cpchat #ecosys |
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8:27 pm
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tatitosi:
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RT @McGough3R: If U are a school leader, pls take some time to respond to the following survey: http://twtsurvey.com/ssc5h6 #cpchat #ecosys |
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10:36 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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@sourcePOV @classroomtools put George Lakoff http://huff.to/bAbNRg into #ecosys . Maybe a good focus for tonight's convo. Thgts? @jennar |
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10:37 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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@sourcePOV I'm thinking Lakoff brings up Qs of Public Discourse, citizenship, media and the #ecosys @classroomtools @jennar @Becky_Ellis |
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10:58 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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@sourcePOV maybe #ecosys would like to convo about http://ilnk.me/5101 < Dif ways to do assessment. @jennar |
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11:01 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ @lisa_maren Be good to know if you have any thoughts about an interesting focus for #ecosys tonight at 9:00? |
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11:03 pm
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TeacherSabrina:
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Reinventing the Wheel, Again: http://t.co/QSWwzLR #edchat #edreform #ecosys |
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11:03 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ @lisa_maren http://ilnk.me/5171 h/t @davencvps67 might work well. @classroomtools @SourcePoV @jennar #ecosys |
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11:03 pm
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@ToughLoveforX I think I would represent a bi-conceptual. This one is okay. Bigger fan of assessments for #ecosys |
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11:06 pm
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@ToughLoveforX I liked the respect article. Wish I had greater understanding of Eur. Edu system to discuss this. #ecosys |
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11:12 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ I'm ok with #ecosys deciding. But don't quite understand the Eur Edu concern with http://ilnk.me/5171 I read it as about USA. |
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11:14 pm
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@ToughLoveforX It is about USA, but European Edu has a dif age range and approach to college that would be interesting to discuss #ecosys |
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11:18 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ Point taken. I've got lots to learn on that one. Maybe someone from EU will drop by. #ecosys |
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11:22 pm
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sourcepov:
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@ToughLoveforX @Becky_Ellis_ challenge w/ EU dropping by for #ecosys is timezones at 9pET. We have many EU folks at #smchat 1pET |
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11:23 pm
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@sourcePOV @ToughLoveforX perhaps we can get some asynchronous contributions before we discuss the respect article. #ecosys |
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11:25 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ @sourcePOV the thing that got my Notice in Respect post was "the burgeoning early college movement in the US" #ecosys |
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11:25 pm
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sourcepov:
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@Becky_Ellis_ @ToughLoveforX agree, respect topic is huge for any #ecosys (not just k12 edu) but may require more research to frame properly |
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11:26 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ @sourcePOV I have a hunch that it's happening much more than we think , under the radar . #ecosys |
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11:27 pm
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@sourcePOV @ToughLoveforX I would like time to research on this, would make for better chat :) #ecosys |
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11:27 pm
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sourcepov:
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@Becky_Ellis_ m/b continue cross-over convo @ToughLoveforX & I had at #smchat re: political #ecosys .. or what of #election impact to #edu |
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11:31 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ Point taken. I agree that makes sense. So ..postpone chat on Respect in High school. Amen. #ecosys |
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11:32 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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@sourcePOV @Becky_Ellis_ that works for me. Lots of top of mind issues after yesterday's results... #ecosys |
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11:32 pm
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@sourcePOV @ToughLoveforX I like political consequences :) #ecosys |
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11:34 pm
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sourcepov:
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@Becky_Ellis_ @ToughLoveforX @classroomtools I'm in. What w/b good framing of #edu #ecosys dynamic resulting from 2010 #election results? |
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11:35 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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@sourcePOV @Becky_Ellis_ @classroomtools I would be happy to take the position that Dems losing the House could a good thing for #ecosys |
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11:37 pm
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@ToughLoveforX lol, if you take that side, what am I going to say . . . . ;o) #ecosys |
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11:39 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ But I'm no way a "Repub" or a "Dem" plus I think those labels no longer usefully apply . #ecosys does that help? |
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11:39 pm
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@sourcePOV @ToughLoveforX I can be impartial. Honestly I can :) #ecosys |
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11:40 pm
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sourcepov:
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@ToughLoveforX @Becky_Ellis_ Yes, staying politically neutral helps. IF it can be done. Achieved it at #smchat today (proud to say) #ecosys |
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11:43 pm
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sourcepov:
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RT @Becky_Ellis_ @ToughLoveforX Ok, independent p.o.v. then :) Written framing not required, but helpful. Can we cull out 4 impacts? #ecosys |
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11:44 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ @sourcePOV #ecosys might not be the place, but I believe in evidence, but not really "impartial" as we all got a PoV. |
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11:44 pm
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@sourcePOV @ToughLoveforX , Impacts of election, potential direction would be nice to discuss. #ecosys |
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11:45 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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@sourcePOV @Becky_Ellis_ Impacts: Maybe the Public Discourse will have to change? #ecosys |
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11:46 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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@sourcePOV @Becky_Ellis_ Impact : Focus and action will move to State level from the Federal Level? #ecosys |
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11:49 pm
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sourcepov:
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RT @Jason_Pollock "What if corporations that donated millions to the #election had donated to #edreform instead?" #ecosys (spend priority?) |
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11:50 pm
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ToughLoveforX:
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Sounds good to me. rt @Becky_Ellis_ @sourcePOV Impacts of election, potential direction would be nice to discuss. #ecosys |
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11:55 pm
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eduinnovation:
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@sourcePOV What is Calf. Teachers Assoc donated their $900 mandatory dues per teacher to the schools? #election #edreform #ecosys |
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11:55 pm
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sourcepov:
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@ToughLoveforX @Becky_Ellis_ if u guys could work on 1-2 subtopics, propositions, hypotheses. We can surface around robin. Deal? #ecosys |
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11:59 pm
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@sourcePOV I would be glad too do this this is a great topic #ecosys |
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11:59 pm
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sourcepov:
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Latest #ecosys Twitter chat innovation: topic generation real time in public stream. Efficient. Transparent. Collaborative :) |
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November 4, 2010
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12:02 am
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sourcepov:
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Tonight 9pET #ECOSYS will discuss #EDU impact from 2010 #midterm #elections. Team will surface 4 non-partisan points & discuss |
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12:06 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@sourcePOV hmmm. Me as "nonpartisan" Full disclosure. Not likely. I may be wrong, but most def not "nonpartisan" @Becky_Ellis_ #ecosys |
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12:07 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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The #ecosys Daily is out! http://bit.ly/ca81SE ? Top stories today by @htecbertmaes @classroomtools @TeacherSabrina @ToughLoveforX |
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12:07 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@ToughLoveforX @sourcePOV Chris just said capable, we all know otherwise ;) #ecosys |
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12:14 am
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sourcepov:
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RT @Becky_Ellis_ @ToughLoveforX Ok, m/b bipartisan #edreform a better #gov20 #ecosys goal. All at the table, collaborating. Even in DC :) |
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12:18 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@sourcePOV I'm not gr8 at "1-2 subtopics, propositions, hypotheses" not sure how much I can help with that part. @Becky_Ellis_ #ecosys |
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12:19 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@ToughLoveforX looking up viewpoints now on edreform . . . . #ecosys |
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12:46 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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@sourcepov #ecosys going to be on tonight! |
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12:46 am
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sourcepov:
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@ToughLoveforX @Becky_Ellis_ @classroomtools @jennar when u work with an "A team" all things are possible :) #ecosys |
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12:49 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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@sourcepov @toughloveforx @becky_ellis_ @classroomtools @jennar can't wait to join u tonight!
#ecosys. Any format I need to know? Betsy |
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12:49 am
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sourcepov:
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@Betsydraperfl Hi Betsy. Yes. #ECOSYS tonight focused on "Impact to #k12 #education from #midterm #election" .. starts at 9pET (10 mins) |
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12:50 am
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classroomtools:
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@Betsydraperfl No specific format. Just come with your thinking cap on. :) @sourcepov @toughloveforx @becky_ellis_ @jennar #ecosys |
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1:00 am
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sourcepov:
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WELCOME TO ECOSYS. Tonight we attempt a nonpartisan look at #midterm #election results on #edreform .. ambitious, but possible. #ecosys |
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1:02 am
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classroomtools:
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@sourcePOV If any group can accomplish that, it will be this one. :) #ecosys |
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1:02 am
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sourcepov:
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As coffee mugs get refilled (yours, mine) please introduce yourself. Should be a lively conversation. #ecosys |
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1:03 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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Nice article that points out that #edreform is really a non-partisan issue at this point. http://bit.ly/cdLf7f #ecosys |
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1:04 am
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sourcepov:
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@Becky_Ellis_ Wow, great way to get us started. Nonpartisan (or bipartisan) always better (only?) chance for forward progress. #ecosys |
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1:04 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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#ecosys hi. Working on behalf of youth, especially Econ disadvantaged, for 30 years still got lots to learn |
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1:05 am
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classroomtools:
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Bill Chapman from Berkeley CA. #ecosys |
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1:05 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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Hi #ecosys I'm Becky Ellis, secondary educator from Northern Utah. Taught in traditional and virtual classroom. |
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1:06 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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#ecosys do you all think politicians will be able to create changes we need? If so how. If not who can? |
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1:07 am
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sourcepov:
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Chris Jones here, Charlotte NC .. parent, host & facilitator, excited re: significant group engagement tonight. #ecosys |
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1:07 am
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classroomtools:
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@Becky_Ellis_ Interesting POV there, but given the heat around #edreform, I don't see how any proposal will ever be non-partisan. #ecosys |
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1:07 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@Betsydraperfl I can imagine that politicians on both sides are feeling a little tenuous, looks like if you vote wrong way ur out. #ecosys |
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1:08 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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Michael Josefowicz from Bklyn retired printer/teacher in HigherEd #ecosys |
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1:08 am
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readywriting:
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RT @sourcepov: WELCOME TO ECOSYS. Tonight we attempt a nonpartisan look at #midterm #election results on #edreform .. ambitious, but possible. #ecosys |
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1:09 am
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sourcepov:
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@Becky_Ellis_thanks for offering to surface some perspectives on #election impacts to #edu. Where shall we start? With the article? #ecosys |
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1:10 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Betsydraperfl #ecosys What I think I see is triggers for change in #ecosys are already in place. I think the train has left the station. |
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1:10 am
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classroomtools:
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@Betsydraperfl Doubtful. Given our experience over the past 2 yrs, it seems R's were rewarded for intransigence. Thus will continue. #ecosys |
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1:10 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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#ecosys. Yes w article. Becky can you give summary |
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1:11 am
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classroomtools:
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@Betsydraperfl Since politicians control $ and make rules, we are in for a dire time. #ecosys |
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1:11 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@sourcePOV best point of the article was mention that fed gov funding is entrenched in state budgets. #ecosys |
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1:12 am
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sourcepov:
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RT @Becky_Ellis_ Background framing on #edreform as nonpartisan issue http://bit.ly/cdLf7f .. yes, calls out state budget factor #ecosys |
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1:13 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@Betsydraperfl Art. points out goals of Obama admin not necessarily bad and suggests that Rs should push for tight standards 1/2 #ecosys |
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1:14 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@Betsydraperfl part 2 of 2, but more lenient on how schools, districts, and states get to standards #ecosys |
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1:14 am
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sourcepov:
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@KenBuck Outstanding, Ken. Glad u could join. Don't hesitate to jump in. #ECOSYS group brainstorming #election impacts to #edreform .. |
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1:14 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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#ecosys exactly in hands of states last national movement was Clintons School to Work to build ed systems. Just really moving when Bush won |
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1:16 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ @Betsydraperfl @classroomtools I'm curious to understand what parts of Obama edu program Rep's might disagree with? #ecosys |
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1:16 am
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GWoodJCG:
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@Becky_Ellis_ except for heavy emphasis on merit pay... #ecosys |
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1:16 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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#ecosys bush admin put in no child left behind and School to Career was dropped. U all know we cycle |
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1:16 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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federal funding is key to maintaining current reforms #ecosys States are already kicking out huge % of budgets to edu #ecosys |
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1:16 am
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sourcepov:
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@Becky_Ellis_ @classroomtools I often ponder funding & policy dynamic between Fed & State. Does any jurisdiction control outcome? #ecosys |
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1:18 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@ToughLoveforX I'm guessing that @GWoodJCG is right and there will be more push for charter schools or vouchers #ecosys |
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1:18 am
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classroomtools:
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@Becky_Ellis_ I agree, and it isn't just federal funding for ed. Funding for other areas of the #ecosys will now be cut too, meaning ... |
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1:19 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ #ecosys But if reforms mean more efficient schools that cost less money the need for fed funding may decrease. |
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1:19 am
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sourcepov:
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@Betsydraperfl @becky_ellis_ Yes, policy cycle 4-8 years. Hard to achieve long-term results. DoED is theoretical continuity, yes? #ecosys |
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1:19 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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#ecosys I don't really get Obamas ed plan? Doesn't have much energy seems like Ed is back burner when should be front |
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1:19 am
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classroomtools:
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@Becky_Ellis_ ... states will have to cut ed or medicaid, or food, etc. #ecosys |
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1:19 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@sourcePOV states have the right to refuse federal funding and federal strings attached. Texas Governor did this with race to top #ecosys |
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1:20 am
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classroomtools:
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@sourcePOV For the past two years, fed funding has been supporting many state programs, not just ed. That's now jeopardized. #ecosys |
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1:20 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@ToughLoveforX I would hope that most Rs could at least agree on common core standards. This would make for more efficient ed #ecosys |
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1:21 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ Makes sense to me. It's going to be driven by efficiency and sustainable organizations. #ecosys @GWoodJCG |
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1:21 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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#ecosys DoEd follow politicians some continuity but changes every Pres in big or little ways. Right |
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1:21 am
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GWoodJCG:
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reform wont cost less $ b/c $ is the issue - biggest impediment to education - poverty #ecosys |
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1:21 am
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classroomtools:
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@ToughLoveforX That is not what reform means. In our commercial culture, better service will cost more. @Becky_Ellis_ #ecosys |
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1:22 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@Betsydraperfl @classroomtools it is classic case of investing in guns or butter. Opportunity cost involved for all gvmnt choices #ecosys |
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1:22 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ For real, aside from the no more money mantra, what do Repubs disagree with? I don't see it. #ecosys |
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1:22 am
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GWoodJCG:
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poverty produced and maintains the achievement gap #ecosys |
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1:23 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@classroomtools I think what the last couple of innovation have shown us is that better service can cost less. #ecosys @Becky_Ellis_ |
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1:23 am
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classroomtools:
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@ToughLoveforX They have been very consistent. Their goal is to say no to everything so that Obama fails & isn't re-elected. #ecosys |
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1:24 am
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sourcepov:
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@GWoodJCG Is poverty a cause, or a result? I don't think anyone supports poverty. #ecosys |
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1:24 am
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classroomtools:
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@Becky_Ellis_ Indeed, the guns or butter argument is best stated here by Rethinking Schools. http://bit.ly/aeNf2z @Betsydraperfl #ecosys |
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1:24 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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@classroomtools @toughloveforx @becky_ellis_ #ecosys until u get to mass and then cost goes down |
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1:24 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@ToughLoveforX I think the article was dead on. We all agree about the need for reform. O's policies aren't bad #ecosys |
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1:24 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@GWoodJCG I wonder if more money is the missing ingredient to get off center with poverty. #ecosys Might be local economic development. |
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1:25 am
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classroomtools:
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@sourcePOV Actually, many support poverty; they say it is the fault of the poor themselves. Read Lakoff on this point. @GWoodJCG #ecosys |
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1:25 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@classroomtools But now that they run the House and 37 governors how will they continue to say no. I can't see it. #ecosys |
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1:26 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@classroomtools @ToughLoveforX may be a case of trying to has control over how we get to the standards #ecosys |
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1:26 am
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classroomtools:
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@ToughLoveforX Ah the old Jack Kemp argument. Wherever he tried to implement it, the programs failed. @GWoodJCG #ecosys |
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1:26 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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Nice point ! RT @Betsydraperfl @classroomtools @becky_ellis_ #ecosys until u get to mass and then cost goes down |
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1:27 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@ToughLoveforX This is probably the most critical issue in play is the overwhelming R leadership on the state level. #ecosys |
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1:27 am
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classroomtools:
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@ToughLoveforX You will. Mitch McConnell said last week, his only goal for the next two years was to ensure Obama's defeat. #ecosys |
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1:28 am
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sourcepov:
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@classroomtools those who place blame are not working on a solution. That's when I stop listening. Not productive. #ecosys |
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1:28 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ I agree. Any thoughts from the ground? I think at Gov level much less silly politics. But it's only a hunch. #ecosys |
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1:28 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@classroomtools reading quickly but can you offer summary on Rethinking Schools #ecosys |
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1:28 am
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classroomtools:
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@Becky_Ellis_ The Republicans were just overwhelmingly rewarded in most states for saying no. They will continue. @ToughLoveforX #ecosys |
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1:29 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@classroomtools #ecosys Ok. That's his goal. Just not sure that's how it's going to work out. I gotta a mull a bit before reengaging. |
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1:29 am
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sourcepov:
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@Becky_Ellis_ Can u expand your point about state level R leadership? What is the implication? Budget deficits huge all around, yes? #ecosys |
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1:30 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@classroomtools that might be an oversimplified way of looking at. Lots of states. Lots of local considerations. #ecosys @Becky_Ellis_ |
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1:31 am
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classroomtools:
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@Becky_Ellis_ The authors say that Ds barely able to support min mitigation for teachers & schools. Our culture supports war, not ed #ecosys |
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1:31 am
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sourcepov:
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@classroomtools @becky_ellis_ my take: Rethinking Schools really about chg in spending priorities. I've been in that boat from start #ecosys |
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1:31 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ #ecosys Re Repub Govs. It must be different in different states. Is that what you see? |
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1:32 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@sourcePOV I think implication of Republican state led governments will be more consideration of charter schools, vouchers #ecosys |
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1:32 am
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classroomtools:
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@ToughLoveforX CA is an exception, but will be hit hard by reduced fed $. As a nation we will suffer mightily. @Becky_Ellis_ #ecosys |
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1:33 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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#ecosys and there r some movements afoot TNT might have big impact like Harlem school and Balfanz work from Jon Hopkins. Let me find thAt |
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1:33 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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The anti tax sentiment might also lead to underfunding of ed, especially community college #ecosys |
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1:33 am
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classroomtools:
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@ToughLoveforX They will be some who win, but it won't be the majority. The top 1% will get a larger share than ever. @Becky_Ellis_ #ecosys |
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1:33 am
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sourcepov:
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@classroomtools Disagree our culture supports war. I think people trust gov't to make that call. Depth of mandate could be debated #ecosys |
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1:34 am
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classroomtools:
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@Becky_Ellis_ The community college system in CA is near collapse. CSU is talking about a 15% fee increase for students next year. #ecosys |
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1:34 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@sourcePOV @ToughLoveforX my sense is that both sides of the aisle are aware that edu reform is a critical issue #ecosys |
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1:35 am
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classroomtools:
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@sourcePOV We are currently fighting two wars at a cost of trillions in $, thousands in US deaths, & not even an issue in campaign. #ecosys |
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1:36 am
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sourcepov:
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Challenge of any ecosys is allocation of scarce resources. Need tough, direct talk on how #education can weather economic storm #ecosys |
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1:36 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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#ecosys and rs will look good by helping poor kids in private voucher schools my previous school is one cost less than distr by big results |
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1:36 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@classroomtools Seems to me the blended learning initiatives, for example in No Carolina, could change the $$ equation #ecosys @Becky_Ellis_ |
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1:36 am
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McGough3R:
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Does anyone know how to view results for a twtsurvey? I can't seem to view my results. #ecosys |
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1:36 am
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classroomtools:
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@Becky_Ellis_ On what do you base that sense. Where in winning campaigns was ed a priority issue? @sourcePOV @ToughLoveforX #ecosys |
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1:37 am
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sourcepov:
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@ToughLoveforX @classroomtools. Agree. Creative solutions like blended learning offer alternative from status quo. Need alt models. #ecosys |
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1:37 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@classroomtools Education was a non issue in this election, only Rand Paul in KY made elim of D of E an issue #ecosys |
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1:38 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@classroomtools some of the conversation should be how people interested in edu reform can still make this a priority #ecosys |
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1:38 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@sourcePOV I think models are happening. No Carolina is only one of a couple of states wking with blended learning. #ecosys @classroomtools |
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1:39 am
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sourcepov:
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@classroomtools @becky_ellis_ #election campaigns attempt to differentiate. If both parties agree on something, not a campaign issue #ecosys |
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1:39 am
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McGough3R:
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Hello #ecosys friends. Can someone help me with my twtsurvey? I can't view my results. |
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1:40 am
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sourcepov:
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@ToughLoveforX Have to say, I moved to NC 20 years ago because of strong education programs (magnet, charter). Focus, creativity key #ecosys |
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1:40 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ My 2¢ on priority is making edu efficient. Just like health care, just like government #ecosys @classroomtools |
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1:40 am
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classroomtools:
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@sourcePOV But given the almost solid R opposition to $ to save teaching jobs last summer, clearly they don't agree. @becky_ellis_ #ecosys |
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1:41 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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#ecosys ed was no where in Florida. Every1graduates.org for Robert Balfanz work he goes outside politics and shares what Any comm can do r |
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1:42 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@classroomtools you are right, the opposition was on spending at education's expense #ecosys |
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1:42 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@sourcePOV #ecosys Perfect data point. New pop growth cause edu is above standard. Any observations about what's special? Dem Rep? |
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1:43 am
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GWoodJCG:
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too much admin in schools b/c tchrs need/expect too much - tchrs can't be trusted to clean their own messes #ecosys |
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1:43 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@ToughLoveforX blending learning model is a win, could see both sides being enthusiastic about that #ecosys |
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1:43 am
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GWoodJCG:
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every admin costs 3 teachers and potential PD oppurtunities etc. #ecosys |
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1:43 am
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sourcepov:
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@classroomtools Insufficient priority on #k12 #education is nonpartisan. Boths Rs & Ds needs to rethink, get creative, state & fed #ecosys |
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1:44 am
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GWoodJCG:
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BUT under current system/thinking - need all the admin and more #ecosys |
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1:44 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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RT @GWoodJCG: every admin costs 3 teachers and potential PD oppurtunities etc. #ecosys |
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1:44 am
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classroomtools:
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With regard to the importance of government funding, read this: http://nyti.ms/b1RaU2 #ecosys |
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1:44 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@GWoodJCG point well taken. My hunch is that reinventing school boards and admin overhead is the way it has to go. Thgts? #ecosys |
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1:45 am
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sourcepov:
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Seems big disconnect is over reliance on Fed & State for #edu solutions. Need more local, creative & hybrid options to weather econ #ecosys |
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1:45 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ To me it seems clear it's going in that direction. Less expensive, more effective, less overhead.. Why wouldn't it? #ecosys |
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1:45 am
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McGough3R:
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#ecosys I figured out my problem and am ready to chat. What's topic tonight friends? |
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1:45 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@ToughLoveforX first item is require admins to teach in classroom, cost effective and eye-opening #ecosys |
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1:46 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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#ecosys teachers not allowed to clean messes take for instance the control mechanism of dollars connected to # students vers small schools |
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1:47 am
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McGough3R:
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@Becky_Ellis_ Does anyone else find it interesting that the only way to advance in the teaching profession is to leave teaching? #ecosys |
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1:47 am
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GWoodJCG:
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first item is require admins to teach in classroom - problem is too much to do so the kids would suffer - not fair #ecosys |
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1:47 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ My 2¢ first job is to evaluate the job of the admin. Automate what can be automated and re evalute what is needed. #ecosys |
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1:48 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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#ecosys yes local innovation start w no school boards as we discussed before. Why not teachers as leaders leaders as teachers Beckys rt |
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1:48 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@McGough3R NIce point. It would make so much more sense for a career path towards mentoring for the teaching pros. #ecosys @Becky_Ellis_ |
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1:49 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@GWoodJCG meaning with administrative role? How did that role become so politicized? #ecosys |
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1:49 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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RT @Betsydraperfl: #ecosys yes local innovation start w no school boards as we discussed before. Why not teachers as leaders leaders as teachers Beckys rt |
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1:49 am
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drtimony:
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admin jobs are no longer seen as leadership. Building-level leadership by veteran teachers is needed. BUT vets are just seen as $$$$ #ecosys |
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1:50 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@Betsydraperfl @ToughLoveforX is anyone aware of schools that have this model in place? #ecosys |
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1:50 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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@ToughLoveforX @mcgough3r @becky_ellis_ #ecosys right been done and works! |
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1:50 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Betsydraperfl #ecosys I've seen evidence of a growing (?) movement of teacher led schools. Seems sensible to me. Cut out admins. |
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1:50 am
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drtimony:
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BTW: hello, folks. #ecosys |
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1:51 am
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sourcepov:
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So far, we've looked at (a.) #edu as non-partisan http://bit.ly/cdLf7f & (b.) Rethinking Schools as priority http://bit.ly/aeNf2z #ecosys |
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1:51 am
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GWoodJCG:
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@Becky_Ellis_ standards movement put pressure on admins to "control" tchrs - nom more close door and teach - someone had to monitor #ecosys |
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1:51 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@classroomtools article on funding was excellent, do you think local development could aide the situation #ecosys |
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1:51 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Betsydraperfl If you have links or 140 chrs be great to put in the #ecosys stream after the convo... @mcgough3r @becky_ellis_ |
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1:52 am
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GWoodJCG:
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@drtimony we agree about vets BUT some in the way of the "new teaching movement" #ecosys |
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1:52 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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@Becky_Ellis_ @toughloveforx not public but private cornerstone academy prep nativity San Miguel all for low income #ecosys |
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1:52 am
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McGough3R:
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@ToughLoveforXCurrently N Dr. program looking @ tchers as leaders. Pple keep pushing me toward Admin. Not interested N leaving kids. #ecosys |
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1:53 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@GWoodJCG fundamentally agree with the theory behind the standards movement. (not necessarily the implementation) it has helped ed #ecosys |
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1:53 am
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drtimony:
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@GWoodJCG That's a leadership issue. They have neither been led nor valued. #ecosys |
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1:53 am
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sourcepov:
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.. latest discussion has moved into local cost models & local alternatives. Should that imply lower perceived 2010 #election impact? #ecosys |
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1:53 am
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TeacherSabrina:
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hi all! late but here :) #ecosys |
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1:54 am
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GWoodJCG:
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@drtimony an old leaders issue that us new admins need to deal with - in short - it sucks #ecosys |
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1:54 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Betsydraperfl nice. What would be the right words to google? My 2¢ If one is on the radar, 100 are below it. @Becky_Ellis_ #ecosys |
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1:54 am
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sourcepov:
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@drtimony @TeacherSabrina welcome guys! Glad u could join us. Tonight, we're dissecting 2010 #midterm results on #edreform #ecosys |
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1:55 am
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McGough3R:
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@Becky_Ellis_ I agree! People need 2 separate standards & high-stakes testing. I like have a clearly defined goal 4 my PbL lessons. #ecosys |
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1:55 am
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drtimony:
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@GWoodJCG I look at vet teachers and marvel at longevity and want to know what they have to offer. Some see rusty ships in harbor. #ecosys |
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1:55 am
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GWoodJCG:
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@Becky_Ellis_ me too - but it has led to increased control measures which has necessitated more admin - IMO #ecosys |
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1:55 am
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McGough3R:
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@TeacherSabrina Welcome to the conversation! I was late myself 2nite. #ecosys |
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1:55 am
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classroomtools:
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This happened in the Senate on August 4. That bill could not pass in the new Senate. Prepare for much worse. http://nyti.ms/apy8gn #ecosys |
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1:55 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ Or maybe the way to look at it is to eliminate the "classroom" blended learning one way. Project rooms another. #ecosys |
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1:55 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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RT @GWoodJCG: @Becky_Ellis_ me too - but it has led to increased control measures which has necessitated more admin - IMO #ecosys <--AMEN! |
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1:56 am
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sourcepov:
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@Becky_Ellis_ should we move to new question, or hold here? Have covered nonpartisan & priorities aspects of #k12 #edreform .. #ecosys |
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1:56 am
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TeacherSabrina:
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@McGough3R Thanks! All off-kilter today. Trying to pick up the gist of the convo...#ecosys |
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1:56 am
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drtimony:
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@ToughLoveforX I would first decide if new admin roles are managers or leaders. Good teacher not nec good admin; vice versa #ecosys |
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1:57 am
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GWoodJCG:
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@drtimony right - there is no legacy for vets to leave newbies - but the few taint the masses and it is frustrating to deal with #ecosys |
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1:57 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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RT @drtimony: @ToughLoveforX I would first decide if new admin roles are managers or leaders. Good teacher not nec good admin; vice versa #ecosys |
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1:57 am
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classroomtools:
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@Becky_Ellis_ We are ever more a national economy. National events will savage local development. Ds have been able to ... #ecosys |
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1:57 am
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McGough3R:
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@TeacherSabrina I think we are ready to change topics. #ecosys |
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1:58 am
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sourcepov:
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@TeacherSabrina looking at impact of #midterm #elections & politics in general on #edreform .. ambitious topic, many sources/angles #ecosys |
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1:58 am
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classroomtools:
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@Becky_Ellis_ ... stave off the worst up until now. They will no longer be able to do that. Prepare for systemic collapse. #ecosys |
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1:58 am
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drtimony:
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@GWoodJCG have to start somewhere. That's leadership. #ecosys |
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1:58 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@DrTimony Makes sense. I vote for managers. Let collaborative groups of teacher/leaders lead. Thoughts? #ecosys |
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1:58 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@sourcePOV we should hold here a little while longer, but want to address point by @classroomtools abt potential impact of layoff #ecosys |
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1:59 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@ToughLoveforX hate to be dismal on this one, could see a lot of in-fighting on this #ecosys |
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1:59 am
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sourcepov:
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@Becky_Ellis_ sounds good, want to connect dots on admin & leadership issues. Clearly key part of equation in #education #ecosys |
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1:59 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@classroomtools Just a ping to say I see a very dif thing. But no need to go down that road in #ecosys @Becky_Ellis_ |
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1:59 am
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drtimony:
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@ToughLoveforX If mgrs, why bother hiring within ed at all? centralize? I trust students & teachers most to create qual schools #ecosys |
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2:00 am
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McGough3R:
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Would love to teach Pres. and congress S. Covey's habit: Seek first to Understand Then be Understood. True reform! #ecosys |
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2:00 am
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GWoodJCG:
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@ToughLoveforX disagree - tchrs need leaders b/c many lose practitioner bent over time - need leaders to keep them paced and focused #ecosys |
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2:00 am
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TeacherSabrina:
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RT @McGough3R: Would love to teach Pres. and congress S. Covey's habit: Seek first to Understand Then be Understood. True reform! #ecosys |
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2:01 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@DrTimony your point is well taken, there is a need for some management in edu #ecosys |
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2:01 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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@Becky_Ellis_ @sourcepov @classroomtools #ecosys Becky rt economy and less population hurt Fl badly closing10 schools inr cty |
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2:01 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ Maybe, but the best Venture Cap led charter school networks are streamling administration. I think they get it. #ecosys |
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2:02 am
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drtimony:
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Let's face it. Schools run themselves. Hierarchies are in place to protect levels from litigious society and to meet re: evaluation #ecosys |
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2:02 am
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sourcepov:
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@McGough3R ntm son of S.Covey, S.M.R.Covey re: speed of trust. Changes everything. Ecosys needs dose of that for collab & teamwork. #ecosys |
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2:02 am
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GWoodJCG:
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leaders get bogged down with managerial tasks in today's schools #ecosys |
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2:02 am
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TeacherSabrina:
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@McGough3R Yes! Very wise...#ecosys We should all aspire to that. I'm starting now... |
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2:02 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@ToughLoveforX definitely admin doesn't need to be as top heavy as it currently is today. #ecosys |
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2:02 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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@McGough3R right. We know what to do and it does not cost more ie Covey #ecosys |
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2:02 am
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unaflecha:
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RT @McGough3R: Would love to teach Pres. and congress S. Covey's habit: Seek first to Understand Then be Understood. True reform! #ecosys |
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2:03 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@GWoodJCG My sense is that very good leadership can emerge and be nurtured from collab teams of teachers. #ecosys intrstd in ur thgts. |
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2:03 am
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classroomtools:
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@DrTimony They run themselves as long as there is money to let them do so. A lot of that money is about to disappear. #ecosys |
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2:04 am
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sourcepov:
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Managers come w/ scale to manage complications & direct traffic. Leaders rise from ecosys to inspire, motivate, navigate complexity #ecosys |
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2:04 am
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TeacherSabrina:
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@DrTimony I agree. I think it's just the most familiar way of doing things, not nec. the best. #ecosys |
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2:04 am
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GWoodJCG:
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@ToughLoveforX absolutely - but who nurtured me - another leader - need vet leaders like need vet tchrs #ecosys |
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2:04 am
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McGough3R:
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Sorry 2 cut conversation so short! Exhausted and falling asleep at keyboard! Have a gr8 night everyone! #ecosys |
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2:04 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@ToughLoveforX this is the most organic result and one I would like most, I don't know if there is enough evidence yet to support #ecosys |
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2:04 am
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sourcepov:
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In other words, mgmt & leadership very different. #Edu needs both. Admin & teachers can play both roles. Need to know how, when. #ecosys |
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2:05 am
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drtimony:
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@classroomtools i'm not talking about supplies, i'm talking about the scheme. Teachers, students, y'all know the drill. #ecosys |
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2:05 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@DrTimony "Hierarchies are in place to protect levels from litigious society/evaluation." yep < The Cost of Lack of Trust. #ecosys |
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2:05 am
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classroomtools:
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@sourcePOV And when those managers & leaders can't be paid, or don't have $ to hire/keep those to work with them? #ecosys |
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2:05 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@sourcePOV this is almost another topic, perhaps we can save for another night? #ecosys |
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2:06 am
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drtimony:
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@sourcepov management=get people to do what they do & do it well. Leadership=get people to do new things accd to plan. #ecosys |
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2:06 am
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TeacherSabrina:
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@sourcePOV YES. Goes a one-size-fits-all model too; pushing people to fit in one mold creates additional problems to be managed #ecosys |
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2:06 am
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GWoodJCG:
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@drtimony but its the scheme we question in #ecosys - no? #ecosys |
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2:06 am
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classroomtools:
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@DrTimony I'm not talking about supplies either. I'm talking about salaries. #ecosys |
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2:06 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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RT @TeacherSabrina: Goes a one-size-fits-all model too; pushing people to fit in one mold creates additional problems to be managed #ecosys |
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2:06 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ After the #ecosys I'm going to take a look. If it's organic, it's efficient. If it's efficient, I bet it's growing out there. |
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2:07 am
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drtimony:
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@GWoodJCG right, but start with what we have. Lead. #ecosys |
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2:07 am
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drtimony:
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@classroomtools right. so take away everything but the teachers and kids and see what you actually need. #ecosys |
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2:08 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@sourcePOV But what's the advantage of doing admins & Ts doing two roles. Why not parse the jobs. Dif skill sets. Dif experience. #ecosys |
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2:08 am
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sourcepov:
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@Becky_Ellis_ agree entirely. Leadership & mgmt another topic. What else comes into view re: #midterm #election impacts to #edreform #ecosys |
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2:08 am
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drtimony:
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RT @ToughLoveforX: @sourcePOV Want engagement? hire parents. #ecosys |
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2:09 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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#ecosys it is like chicken and egg we r talking role expansion role reversal btr understanding w resource mapping to learn gaps overlaps |
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2:09 am
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classroomtools:
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@DrTimony But, most of the money goes to salaries and buildings, mostly salaries. In CA, we are cutting into teachers & kids. #ecosys |
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2:09 am
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drtimony:
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I've said it before. I'll say it again. When are we just going to start our own school? #edchat #edcamp #ecosys |
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2:10 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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If funding is going away, this is a consequence not always discussed http://bit.ly/beLK6s nice post by @SLazarOtC #ecosys |
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2:10 am
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sourcepov:
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@ToughLoveforX normally, I'd agree. But in economic crisis, can't afford to specialize, hire up. Must be creative, innovate in place #ecosys |
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2:10 am
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drtimony:
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@classroomtools I get that. But we rethink, retool. Admins sals pushing out of $100k? that's teachers, supplies, kids' lives #ecosys |
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2:10 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@DrTimony I've been on that little soapbox for a while. Parents would make awesome Teacher asst if trained well @sourcePOV #ecosys |
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2:11 am
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classroomtools:
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RT @Becky_Ellis_: If funding is going away, this is a consequence not always discussed http://bit.ly/beLK6s nice post by @SLazarOtC #ecosys |
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2:11 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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#ecosys we already did in Tampa Bay start own schools. I can raise $s for us and build community partnerships that will wow u. Ready Doc? |
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2:11 am
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drtimony:
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@toughloveforx I don't want assistance. Hire them for that admin work. #ecosys |
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2:11 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@sourcePOV blog posts discusses what teacher turnover does to education, students, school goals, even test scores #ecosys |
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2:12 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@sourcePOV My 2¢ in an economic crisis, we can't afford not to specialize. Doing one thing great is hard enuff. Two? impossible. #ecosys |
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2:12 am
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sourcepov:
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@drtimony Glad u raised that. I came VERY close to teaching middle schoolers via Citizen Schools program. Great idea. Parents. #ecosys |
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2:12 am
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classroomtools:
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@DrTimony Been there, done that. Problems don't disappear, they creep in from the rest of society with the same results. #ecosys |
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2:13 am
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drtimony:
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@Betsydraperfl I do comm partnerships that would wowu2. Several nat'l recognized works. Just ask @toughloveforx #ecosys |
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2:13 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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#ecosys parents can do tons in school as well as community. 10,000 hrs volunteer time for school of 100 kids. It's not hard |
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2:13 am
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Dochiemae:
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RT @McGough3R: Would love to teach Pres. and congress S. Covey's habit: Seek first to Understand Then be Understood. True reform! #ecosys |
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2:13 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@DrTimony I would rather computer assist, automate, re-engineer the admin part. Could use more eyes in classroom. #ecosys @toughloveforx |
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2:14 am
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drtimony:
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@classroomtools then do it again. have to keep shaking off the hindrances. #ecosys |
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2:14 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@Betsydraperfl @DrTimony in my opinion this is one of the strengths of Charter movement, how to harness to regular ed #ecosys |
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2:14 am
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classroomtools:
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@DrTimony Some admins I've known worth that and more. Without them nothing but constant chaos and waste. #ecosys |
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2:14 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Betsydraperfl #ecosys But often difficult for the school to manage volunteers, assuming they can respect their work in the first place. |
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2:14 am
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GWoodJCG:
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RT @classroomtools: @DrTimony Some admins Ive known worth that and more. Without them nothing but constant chaos and waste. #ecosys |
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2:15 am
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mrsenorhill:
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RT @ToughLoveforX: @DrTimony I would rather computer assist, automate, re-engineer the admin part. Could use more eyes in classroom. #ecosys @toughloveforx |
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2:15 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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@drtimony @toughloveforx me too national level let's talk via Phone and topic for #ecosys partners in school that make REAL diff |
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2:15 am
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drtimony:
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There's no bad idea when you're just talking about it. ;-) If they are worth it, get them. But you have to do right by kids. #ecosys |
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2:16 am
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classroomtools:
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@DrTimony Actually, I've done it twice over my 40 year career. 1st time 5 years until the school collapsed; 2nd time 12 years. #ecosys |
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2:16 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@GWoodJCG @classroomtools @DrTimony "Without them nothing but constant chaos / waste" is not a sustainable healthy culture. #ecosys thgts? |
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2:17 am
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drtimony:
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RT @ToughLoveforX: @GWoodJCG @classroomtools If one/two people are linchpin, you've got much more sig probs. #ecosys |
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2:17 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@ToughLoveforX public school is not always a sustainable healthy culture, sometimes resembles Lord of the Flies #ecosys |
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2:18 am
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classroomtools:
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RT @Becky_Ellis_: @ToughLoveforX public school is not always a sustainable healthy culture, sometimes resembles Lord of the Flies #ecosys |
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2:18 am
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sourcepov:
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RT @Becky_Ellis_ "Consequence of funding cuts http://bit.ly/beLK6s (by @SLazarOtC)" .. how teacher turnover impacts students, scores #ecosys |
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2:18 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Betsydraperfl Just my 2¢ on @drtimony I read his PhD paper. Amazing research, in my opinion. #ecosys |
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2:18 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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#ecosys so true Becky. Flies everywhere ha |
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2:19 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@ToughLoveforX good administration is never, never, never to be underestimated #ecosys |
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2:19 am
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TeacherSabrina:
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@Becky_Ellis_ @ToughLoveforX That's true! Competition + stressful, high-stakes environment = hot mess...#ecosys |
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2:19 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ #ecosys Yep. Been there. Seen that. Precisely what has to change. Overhead of managing Lord of Flies toooo high. |
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2:20 am
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sourcepov:
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@Becky_Ellis_ were u thinking to focus there for home stretch, last 20 mins? Have just enough momentum for one more #edu topic #ecosys |
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2:20 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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@ToughLoveforX @drtimony #ecosys can't wait to learn about and from Dr Timony! |
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2:20 am
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drtimony:
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Hey, thanks. RT @Betsydraperfl: @ToughLoveforX @drtimony #ecosys cant wait to learn about and from Dr Timony! #ecosys |
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2:21 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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I really want to talk about potential of teacher layoffs, but still willing to stay with admin's role too #ecosys |
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2:21 am
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TeacherSabrina:
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@ToughLoveforX @Becky_Ellis_ I think some of the top-heaviness can cause the problem, too. Certainly was true where I worked! #ecosys |
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2:21 am
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GWoodJCG:
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@drtimony tchrs cant go it aloneb/c not enuf time/resrces.leaders keep schl fcused on stndt achvmt n keep tchrs tchrs away from blah #ecosys |
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2:22 am
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classroomtools:
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RT @Becky_Ellis_: I really want to talk about potential of teacher layoffs, but still willing to stay with admin's role too #ecosys |
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2:22 am
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drtimony:
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@Becky_Ellis_ or overestimated. Sobriety is needed. The magician has the finest look of calm when doing a trick. #ecosys |
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2:22 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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#ecosys I love this ;*> |
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2:22 am
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drtimony:
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@GWoodJCG I get that you need leadership but why not have trained and qual'd teachers in the classrooms instead of offices? #ecosys |
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2:23 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ No doubt about good adminstration. But the best is invisible. Not holding the ship together. #ecosys @teachersabrina |
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2:23 am
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classroomtools:
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@Becky_Ellis_ Teacher & other layoffs are self-perpetuating. Once begun, the system begins to buckle. Eventually, it will collapse. #ecosys |
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2:23 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@DrTimony here is where good admin can steer the ship well in rocky waters. Rebalancing numbers would be great. #ecosys |
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2:24 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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#ecosys what we need is more teachers did u see Florida repealed small classroom amendment makes me sick. Don't believe $s is real issue |
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2:25 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@TeacherSabrina I've seen same. Distracted, worried about everything, no focus. Awful for a local #ecosys @Becky_Ellis_ |
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2:25 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@classroomtools Teacher turnover is also a problem to factor in this scenario. @DrTimony mentioned how vet teachers are viewed #ecosys |
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2:25 am
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GWoodJCG:
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@drtimony agree - feels wrong daily, trust me, but i need to model, mentor, provide pd and opp. 2 grow - the things tchrs too busy 4 #ecosys |
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2:25 am
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TeacherSabrina:
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@Betsydraperfl Ugh, exactly...they take shortcuts to avoid paying for stuff like CSR, but it ends up being more expensive. #ecosys |
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2:25 am
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drtimony:
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Money is never the issue. It's too easy. Just like capital improvements. Necessary. #ecosys |
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2:25 am
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classroomtools:
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@Betsydraperfl How does one hire more teachers without $? #ecosys |
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2:26 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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#ecosys issue is that kids r not a priority hence neither is education unless u can afford wealthy school |
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2:26 am
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drtimony:
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I am concerned when Teachers are eager to leave the classroom. That has to be seen as a leadership issue. Not talking ambition, here #ecosys |
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2:26 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@TeacherSabrina I'm curious to know if you've seen any blended f2f + online - in your schools. #ecosys @Becky_Ellis_ |
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2:26 am
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classroomtools:
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@DrTimony In our commercial culture, money is almost always the issue. #ecosys |
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2:27 am
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TeacherSabrina:
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@Betsydraperfl We create achievement problems & compliance issues b/c we're making things too hard on TRs & Ss by taking shortcuts. #ecosys |
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2:27 am
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classroomtools:
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@DrTimony To the extent that we can discuss other issues, it is because we are sufficiently funded. #ecosys |
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2:27 am
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drtimony:
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@classroomtools it gets the blame b/c it's easy to believe-it resonates w/the people. But it's a farce. #ecosys |
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2:28 am
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GWoodJCG:
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they leave urban schools for more $, not nec. leave profession #ecosys |
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2:28 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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does anyone see constituents balking at reduced funding for schools? This usually affects voters on a personal level. #ecosys |
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2:28 am
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classroomtools:
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@DrTimony Again, look at money. Admins are better paid. As you have more personal responsibilities (college for older kids, etc.)... #ecosys |
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2:28 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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@classroomtools #ecosys sry let me clarify. We have the $s in country for best ed innovation results just won't do it |
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2:28 am
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TeacherSabrina:
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@ToughLoveforX I haven't. Interested to know more about it/how it works. #ecosys |
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2:28 am
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drtimony:
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Opposite here, but yes. RT @GWoodJCG: they leave urban schools for more $, not nec. leave profession #ecosys |
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2:28 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@TeacherSabrina "by taking shortcuts." would luv to hear more to understand shortcuts. #ecosys @Betsydraperfl |
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2:28 am
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classroomtools:
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@DrTimony ... you need more money. In ed, you get that by moving to admin. #ecosys |
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2:29 am
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TeacherSabrina:
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@GWoodJCG I left because of stress, & didn't even consider $ #ecosys |
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2:29 am
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sourcepov:
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RT @drtimony @classroomtools "Money gets the blame b/c its easy to believe. It resonates w/ people. But it's a farce" #ecosys |
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2:29 am
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GWoodJCG:
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how do we attract and maintain quality urban educators - where are young tchrs committed to urban? #ecosys |
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2:29 am
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classroomtools:
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@DrTimony I'd be interested to get your take on that remark in 30 years. #ecosys |
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2:30 am
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TeacherSabrina:
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@ToughLoveforX I see things like increasing class size, scripted curr., teaching to the test, etc. as shortcuts. Instead of making+ #ecosys |
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2:30 am
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drtimony:
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@classroomtools I work 3 jobs and you would be surprised what I make. #ecosys |
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2:30 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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Real victims are the students when you can't have stability in teaching force, I would hope voters see this #ecosys |
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2:30 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@TeacherSabrina follow the links from @davencvps67 they seem to be doing pretty amazing stuff for the State of North Carolina. #ecosys |
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2:31 am
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drtimony:
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@classroomtools I'm a bad example of what I think you might be getting at. I've also been teaching close to 20 years. #ecosys |
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2:31 am
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TeacherSabrina:
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@ToughLoveforX long-term commitment to equity in resources & opportunity, we try to do quick fixes, which make more problems. #ecosys |
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2:32 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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@GWoodJCG #ecosys ameriCorps for one and higher salaries smaller classes
Better higher education for teachers use real best practice |
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2:32 am
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drtimony:
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@GWoodJCG our teachers in Philly leave to work in the suburbs in order to make more $$. many 1st time college need to pay debt #ecosys |
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2:32 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@TeacherSabrina @ToughLoveforX would like to see the pendulum stop swinging for a while and just focus on improving a few key areas #ecosys |
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2:33 am
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classroomtools:
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@Becky_Ellis_ It seems all that most voters see is the need for lower taxes & protection for those progs supported by ... #ecosys |
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2:33 am
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sourcepov:
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RT @TeacherSabrina @ToughLoveforX "We try to do quick fixes, which makes even more problems." #ecosys |
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2:33 am
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classroomtools:
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@Becky_Ellis_ ... the taxes they want to cut. #ecosys |
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2:33 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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RT @Becky_Ellis_: @TeacherSabrina @ToughLoveforX would like to see the pendulum stop swinging for a while and just focus on improving a few key areas #ecosys |
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2:33 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@DrTimony there are lots of student loan forgiveness programs to teach in underperforming schools #ecosys |
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2:33 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@TeacherSabrina yep. I've seen the same. My little soapbox is for admins who can maintain and even keel, but maniacal focus. #ecosys |
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2:33 am
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drtimony:
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@Becky_Ellis_ the simplest solutions could make significant differences. Bang my drum: sleep, meals, mentoring... #ecosys |
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2:34 am
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drtimony:
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@Becky_Ellis_ difference city to suburbs is easily 15k. #ecosys |
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2:34 am
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TeacherSabrina:
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@Becky_Ellis_ @ToughLoveforX Agreed. Too many moving parts, it's confusing for everyone. Counterproductive. #ecosys |
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2:34 am
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GWoodJCG:
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@drtimony cities pay great in CT but tchrs don't want stress of NCLB, RTI, etc. - poverty is painful to watch #ecosys |
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2:34 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ @TeacherSabrina keep in mind we are going thru amazing meme changing times. I bet it's settling down, starting now. #ecosys |
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2:35 am
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drtimony:
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we have in America an education system that is based on property taxes. There is no way for that to be fair. #ecosys |
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2:35 am
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classroomtools:
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@Becky_Ellis_ But most of those teachers seem to burn out & quit shortly after their obligations end. @DrTimony #ecosys |
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2:35 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@DrTimony I made a very fair living working in inner city Long Beach CA. #ecosys |
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2:35 am
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classroomtools:
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@DrTimony Not in CA since the passage of Prop 13 in 1978. #ecosys |
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2:35 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@TeacherSabrina the primary role of an admin/leader is NOT new things. It's a unswerving focus on the core mission. @Becky_Ellis_ #ecosys |
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2:36 am
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drtimony:
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UPenn set up lab school. Most deserving families in catchment area sold homes for profit due to demand or rent went up and had to go #ecosys |
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2:36 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@DrTimony okay, here is real crazy talk. pool resources and give every kid the same amount. Backpack funding federal style. #ecosys |
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2:37 am
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drtimony:
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@Becky_Ellis_ low income areas would love it. high income areas would sue. #ecosys |
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2:37 am
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classroomtools:
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@DrTimony So what was this about money being a farce? #ecosys |
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2:37 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@sourcePOV We're being dragged out of "quick fix" economy. Wave of creative destruction is moving thru our society. @TeacherSabrina #ecosys |
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2:38 am
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classroomtools:
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@Becky_Ellis_ How then to deal with kids who need more than the average, but can't afford it? @DrTimony #ecosys |
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2:38 am
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drtimony:
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@classroomtools when districts want to make excuses, they blame $$ and everyone understands. Say taxes are solution and ppl say no #ecosys |
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2:38 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@ToughLoveforX @classroomtools need to have some of that World War 2 intensity during the next two years! #ecosys |
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2:39 am
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classroomtools:
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@ToughLoveforX I agree about the destruction, but not about the creative. @sourcePOV @TeacherSabrina #ecosys |
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2:39 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@DrTimony Been lots of suits about equal money in NYS. But the trick is more efficient outcomes for everyone. @Becky_Ellis_ #ecosys |
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2:39 am
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TeacherSabrina:
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@Becky_Ellis_ I like it. #ecosys |
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2:39 am
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mbteach:
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@DrTimony and now there's a waiting list for Kindergarten....#ecosys |
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2:40 am
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TeacherSabrina:
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@ToughLoveforX @DrTimony @Becky_Ellis_ I've been struggling w/ that recently. How can we mandate outcomes? #ecosys |
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2:40 am
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tfteacher:
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#ecosys Schools are a symptom of a larger problem called poverty. Don't expect schools to be able to solve it. It's bigger than schools. |
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2:40 am
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sourcepov:
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@ToughLoveforX Growing awareness of ecosystems & how they work. Silo cultures control, limit & blame. Change will take time. #ecosys |
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2:40 am
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GWoodJCG:
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@drtimony lack of $$ is a real - not perceived - issue to districts #ecosys |
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2:40 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ Few things focus that spirit more than a financial crisis. With a good Public Discourse happens every time. #ecosys |
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2:40 am
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classroomtools:
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@DrTimony I went to and worked in CA schools prior to and after Prop 13. Taxes were what created the good schools & will be again. #ecosys |
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2:41 am
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drtimony:
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@mbteach when we were house hunting, the catchment would have cost us an extra $75k #ecosys |
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2:41 am
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classroomtools:
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RT @tfteacher: #ecosys Schools are a symptom of a larger problem called poverty. Don't expect schools to be able to solve it. It's bigger than schools. |
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2:41 am
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drtimony:
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Smokescreen. RT @GWoodJCG: @drtimony lack of $$ is a real - not perceived - issue to districts #ecosys |
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2:41 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@TeacherSabrina can mandate'em . Polticos "mandate". haha. Gotta focus on them every day. @DrTimony @Becky_Ellis_ #ecosys |
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2:42 am
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embracediversiT:
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RT @drtimony: we have in America an education system that is based on property taxes. There is no way for that to be fair. #ecosys |
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2:42 am
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drtimony:
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@ToughLoveforX I don't go on mandates. #ecosys |
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2:42 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@ToughLoveforX @TeacherSabrina more confident that people might focus on outcomes now than I was on Monday. #ecosys in a non partisan way :) |
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2:42 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@GWoodJCG do you see any attempts by districts to make a drive for efficiency, not just cuts? @drtimony #ecosys |
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2:42 am
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tjohnsoniii:
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RT @McGough3R: Would love to teach Pres. and congress S. Covey's habit: Seek first to Understand Then be Understood. True reform! #ecosys |
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2:42 am
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classroomtools:
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@ToughLoveforX Financial crises also create random devastation. It can be decades before culture rebuilds. @Becky_Ellis_ #ecosys |
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2:43 am
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sourcepov:
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@drtimony from your point, I inferred that a skilled teacher doesn't need money to motivate & teach kids .. was that it? #ecosys |
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2:44 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@DrTimony just an FYI I hope you didn't misinterpret what I tweeted to say you "mandated." Not my intent. #ecosys |
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2:44 am
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drtimony:
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@sourcepov give me a room and kids. I know plenty of Ts like that. #ecosys |
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2:44 am
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classroomtools:
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@ToughLoveforX Efficiency requires minimal stability which is lacking as budgets are continually cut. @GWoodJCG @drtimony #ecosys |
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2:44 am
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drtimony:
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@ToughLoveforX I was making a joke about "man date." #ecosys |
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2:44 am
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GWoodJCG:
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@ToughLoveforX all of them - cuts are a last resource: 1st its rationalize, next its swap/minimize, last cut #ecosys |
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2:45 am
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sourcepov:
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@Becky_Ellis_ we're on the home stretch. Time to start our wrap-up, maybe we can highlight a few key conclusions & takeaways? #ecosys |
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2:45 am
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classroomtools:
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@DrTimony And where does the money come from to support that room and what goes on within it? Taxes?? @sourcepov #ecosys |
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2:45 am
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drtimony:
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There will always be cuts. We cannot use them as an excuse. #ecosys |
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2:46 am
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drtimony:
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@classroomtools Awww, c'mon. We have overindulged the system too long. Our profession has become political. That's not right. #ecosys |
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2:46 am
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sourcepov:
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RT @drtimony "Give me a room & kids. I know plenty of Ts like that." .. I inferred correctly. Excellent. In econ. crisis: our focus #ecosys |
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2:47 am
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GWoodJCG:
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we can't use $$ as an excuse for poor instruction #ecosys |
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2:47 am
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classroomtools:
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@DrTimony No, there will not always be cuts. Look at the period 1947-66. You won't find cuts there. #ecosys |
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2:47 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@sourcePOV cuts are likely coming to edu, whether they are politically motivated or through economic malaise it isn't clear yet #ecosys |
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2:47 am
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drtimony:
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I showed up to work one day and there was an IWB being installed. Who ordered that? I don't know. I wanted new books. #ecosys |
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2:47 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@GWoodJCG I have a feeling rationalize in this enviro starts by asking about every job. Does it need to be done? Any thgths? #ecosys |
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2:48 am
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drtimony:
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@classroomtools That's when men were men and women were women. Bad guys had deep voices and good guys had high voices. #ecosys |
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2:48 am
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classroomtools:
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@DrTimony Indeed, you'll find the majority willing to make repeated major investments of public money in ed & other social programs. #ecosys |
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2:48 am
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TeacherSabrina:
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Need to eat. Great chat all! #ecosys |
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2:48 am
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GWoodJCG:
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@ToughLoveforX job, course, pencil, tissue... i see it every day #ecosys |
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2:48 am
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classroomtools:
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@Becky_Ellis_ Most likely a combination of the two. @sourcePOV #ecosys |
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2:49 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ #ecosys also a reason for cuts is local school financing from real estate taxes is getting pretty rough for many.@sourcePOV |
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2:49 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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#ecosys our focus is students and how we do right by them. Just wish the rest of the country would join up with resources people things $s |
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2:49 am
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classroomtools:
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@TeacherSabrina Good night Sabrina, and Bon Apetite! #ecosys |
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2:50 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@DrTimony was also when American economy and military were the strongest in the world . Justsayin.. @classroomtools #ecosys |
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2:50 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@sourcePOV I think some very salient points were made about the role of administrators both as managers and leaders #ecosys |
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2:50 am
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drtimony:
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@classroomtools fact is, money fluctuates. We invest in capital improvements when rates are low b/c money is cheap... #ecosys |
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2:50 am
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classroomtools:
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@ToughLoveforX Not true in CA. Since Prop 13 ed's been funded from the general fund. That is under assault. @Becky_Ellis_ @sourcePOV #ecosys |
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2:51 am
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sourcepov:
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If we accomplish 1 thing, hope we break the blame cycle: its not the system, DoED, RTTT, $. Need to find what's working & replicate #ecosys |
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2:51 am
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drtimony:
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@classroomtools why not maintain ed funding in times of $$ crisis? If ebb/flow doesn't return, ed $$ is not our biggest issue. #ecosys |
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2:51 am
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classroomtools:
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@ToughLoveforX And the two are not unrelated. @DrTimony #ecosys |
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2:52 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Betsydraperfl when you have a bit of time, would luv to understand who is our in "our focus" It sounds about right to me. #ecosys |
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2:52 am
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sourcepov:
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@Becky_Ellis_ Agree, I think mgmt & leadership a key follow-on topic. Lots of sources to draw on there. Making note. #ecosys |
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2:52 am
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drtimony:
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and that correlation is no longer valid. RT @classroomtools: @ToughLoveforX two are not unrelated. #ecosys |
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2:52 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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#ecosys and implement too Becky admin teachers families and even kids
Partnerships w shared vision and resources can work |
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2:52 am
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classroomtools:
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@DrTimony Good idea. Try to convince the Rs who will continue to cut it & other necessary programs. Cuts are self-defeating. #ecosys |
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2:53 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@sourcePOV looking for bright spots, and efficiencies in edu makes the most sense to me #ecosys is a great convo for this reason. |
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2:53 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@classroomtools thanks for clarification. That's new to me. Am i right that funding works pretty awful. #ecosys @Becky_Ellis_ @sourcePOV |
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2:53 am
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elfwyn:
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RT @Betsydraperfl: #ecosys and implement too Becky admin teachers families and even kids
Partnerships w shared vision and resources can work |
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2:53 am
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sourcepov:
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@ToughLoveforX @becky_ellis_ heard some good things about NC programs & hybrid thinking, possible bright spots? #ecosys |
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2:53 am
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classroomtools:
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@DrTimony Ah, apparently you & I have a profound disagreement there. @ToughLoveforX #ecosys |
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2:54 am
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drtimony:
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Well, they're trying and it ain't working. RT @classroomtools @ToughLoveforX #ecosys |
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2:55 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@ToughLoveforX Prop 13 unique to CA, rest of the country suffers from property tax issues, CA suffers by tying ed to general fund #ecosys |
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2:55 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@sourcePOV From my PoV the stuff in No Carolina is a big deal. Hybrid learning at a State wide level. That's scale. @becky_ellis_ #ecosys |
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2:55 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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@ToughLoveforX will do #ecosys when for u? |
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2:55 am
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classroomtools:
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@ToughLoveforX When coupled with 2/3 reqiore to raise taxes (& after yesterday fees too), it is a disaster. @Becky_Ellis_ @sourcePOV #ecosys |
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2:56 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@ToughLoveforX Can also remember some great years in edu w/ a 10% raise because of that general fund too #ecosys |
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2:56 am
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sourcepov:
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@Becky_Ellis_ heard that many/most #edu issues are either non-partisan or bi-partisan, especially where priorities need reset #ecosys |
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2:57 am
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classroomtools:
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@DrTimony But it is working for them. Read today's election results. That's why more is coming. @ToughLoveforX #ecosys |
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2:57 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@sourcePOV yes the NC hybrid model should be discussed. Looks like it is in early stages, would like to know more #ecosys |
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2:57 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Betsydraperfl I'm asynch at #ecosys 24/7. Keeps a retired guy like me busy.. :-) so whenever you can. |
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2:57 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@classroomtools there were more fees in the election yesterday? #ecosys |
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2:58 am
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sourcepov:
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@ToughLoveforX I'm in Raleigh next week, m/b u could forward relevant articles or posts? #ecosys |
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2:58 am
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drtimony:
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@classroomtools I understand what you're saying but str military=str finances is a construct of the past. #ecosys |
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2:58 am
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classroomtools:
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@Becky_Ellis_ The trend line has been pointed down for 30 years, despite an occasional yearly uptick. @ToughLoveforX #ecosys |
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2:58 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ thanks , So much history to learn. ;-( Different histories in every state. Too hard to generalize and easy judgments. #ecosys |
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2:58 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@sourcePOV well the point was made about non or bi-partisan . . . maybe most people agreed so we didn't discuss much ;) #ecosys |
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2:59 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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@sourcepov @becky_ellis_ #ecosys also that politics does effect ed outcomes. Perhaps one thing we should do is show politicians best pract |
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2:59 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@classroomtools @ToughLoveforX I grew up in California in a family of educators so prop 13 has long been dinner table discussion #ecosys |
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2:59 am
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classroomtools:
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@Becky_Ellis_ It is rather like cancer from the POV of the cancer cell. Things look great from that POV until the body dies. #ecosys |
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3:00 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@classroomtools best. analogy. ever. #ecosys |
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3:00 am
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BrklynSurfer:
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RT @drtimony: I've said it before. I'll say it again. When are we just going to start our own school? #edchat #edcamp #ecosys |
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3:00 am
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classroomtools:
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@Becky_Ellis_ For the foreseeable future, non-partisan and bi-partisan will be meaningless in the US. @sourcePOV #ecosys |
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3:00 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@sourcePOV #ecosys will do. But in meantime follow the links from @davencvps67 that's where it's being led from. Aint twitter cool? |
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3:01 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@Betsydraperfl showing politicians best practices is an excellent idea. #ecosys |
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3:01 am
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sourcepov:
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@Becky_Ellis_ @classroomtools maybe a bit morose, but yes, excellent analogy. Sometimes that's what it takes, to hit u in the face. #ecosys |
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3:03 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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#ecosys and starting our own school love that I will send some links of stuff that is working or relevant. Best place to post for all |
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3:04 am
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sourcepov:
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@ToughLoveforX I'll reach out to @davencvps67 when in Raleigh. Have seen vids, but I've wanted to know more about NCVPS for awhile #ecosys |
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3:04 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@sourcePOV think that about sums it all up, really nice chat from #ecosys and pretty darn non partisan too! |
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3:05 am
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sourcepov:
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Ok guys, it's time to wrap-up. Outstanding thought leadership from @becky_ellis_ and yes, nonpartisan all the way. Well done. #ecosys |
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3:05 am
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gregoryshea:
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RT @drtimony: we have in America an education system that is based on property taxes. There is no way for that to be fair. #ecosys |
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3:06 am
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classroomtools:
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Good night all. Thanks for another stimulating discussion. See you all next week, at this same spot in cyberspace. #ecosys |
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3:06 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@sourcePOV please post on #ecosys. NCVPS is looking very well structured |
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3:08 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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#ecosys night all thanks do much. Be in touch this next week |
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3:08 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@sourcePOV It would be great if you can bring your Pov on No Carolina. my hunch is it is a really big deal. #ecosys |
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3:09 am
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sourcepov:
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Great dialog on #politics #elections & #edreform tonight. Hope u took aways as much as I did. Will update wiki http://bit.ly/ecoedu #ecosys |
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3:10 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ just a reminder that @ncvps is also on twitter. @sourcePOV #ecosys |
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3:10 am
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sourcepov:
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@ToughLoveforX I have many positive things to say about NC EDU. As moderator, I have been attempting to remain objective :) #ecosys |
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3:11 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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Opinion column: Would a Republican Congress be good for ed reform http://bit.ly/bmFWRS #ecosys |
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3:11 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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G'night all. Nice convo. Keep in mind that #ecosys is 24/7 for asynchronous convos. |
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3:12 am
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demonogue:
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RT @tfteacher: #ecosys Schools are a symptom of a larger problem called poverty. Don't expect schools to be able to solve it. It's bigger than schools. |
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3:12 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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Tea Party and Community College funding http://usat.ly/cq2YbN #ecosys |
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3:15 am
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sourcepov:
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Great conversation, guys. Keep the positive energy on #edu ideas & discovery flowing. See u next week, WEDS 9pET, at #ecosys |
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3:24 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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@sourcepov @toughloveforx @davencvps67 Al & I worked Heller School Brandeis Connects best practice partnerships systems building #ecosys |
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3:47 am
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sourcepov:
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@davencvps67 Dave, intrigued by latest on @NCVPS. Your program generating interest within national #k12 #edreform convo at #ecosys .. |
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3:47 am
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ToughLoveforX:
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@Becky_Ellis_ re com colleges about "the new facilities" Blended learning seems like a win-win. Why do we need more buildings? #ecosys |
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3:51 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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@DrTimony good stuff Doc
Check out
academyprep.org Tampa partners
Schoolandmain.org/tools.htm
Ruraledu.org
#ecosys |
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4:07 am
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Becky_Ellis_:
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@ToughLoveforX yes blended learning really great for comm. colleges. Not a fast shift though. Would require a shift in pedagogy #ecosys |
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4:14 am
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sourcepov:
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@Becky_Ellis_ @ToughLoveforX Key enabler to scale NCVPS: connectivity to remote LEA's lacking teachers, density. NC made investment. #ecosys |
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4:51 am
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Betsydraperfl:
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@ZenOutlaw no way!!!! Did u get on #ecosys ? Check it out. Very much like diverse group. And people's diff opinions accepted. |
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4:58 am
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KRCraft:
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Deep thoughts or deep prejudices? http://tinyurl.com/36g5uqv via @wilsontony > important #edu #literacy #ecosys read cc @sourcePOV |
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5:30 am
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sourcepov:
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Notes from tonight's #ECOSYS conversation on 2010 #election impacts to #k12 #edreform now on our News Room page http://bit.ly/ecoeduN |
